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ambropoetica ![]() Subscriber ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 November 2004 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 418 |
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To all... I wish to apologize for the tenor of some of my remarks
regarding my recent posts, especially the feces attributions. I will admit to being a hot head of sorts... that being said, I remain unmoved by most of the works discussed. My comments are meant to improve and contribute to discourse of the art and craft we persue. My thanks to Quinn for providing the forum from which we all have the opportunity to learn. best, steve |
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quinn ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 13 December 2004 Location: Colorado Online Status: Offline Posts: 1025 |
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Thanks Joe, I appreciate that plug, moreover, I'm happy that you like the Collodion. |
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smieglitz ![]() Subscriber ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Online Status: Offline Posts: 1831 |
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I'll put in a plug here for the Alt Photo Source chemistry. I just used some Keystone positive collodion today for the first time since I obtained it from Gerald a few months ago. It was really nice, a bit thicker than what I've used previously, and the image color was redder than I've had result before, but these were all plusses as far as I'm concerned. I managed to do a few ruby ambrotypes on black glass today and will post some scans tomorrow if possible.
I'll be ordering some more of this stuff as soon as you guys formally launch the business. As far as Sally Mann, I'm a big fan although I'll say many of the recent images from that series didn't do anything for me and, like others, I question the critical response to them. However, I found a few very moving and suspect the albumen prints in person would have a much greater appeal than the small web pics. I suspect a great deal of intent is present in what appears to be haphazard. She knows what she is doing, is very talented, and she is playing her cards well. I wonder what her favorite images are from her very diverse evolution? Just yesterday I found this link in another forum to an image of her by Karen Kuehn. I got a grin out of it. Portrait of Sally Mann on Karen Kuehn's website Joe Edited by smieglitz |
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I find the distinction between "artist" and "hobbyist" distasteful. What are their distinguishing characteristics? This sounds like critic-speak to me; categorizing the newly-fallen. Can we disregard the work and opinions of others because they are "just hobbyists"? I am a huge fan of Mann, although I was not so moved by "Last Measure" as her other work. That said, I don't think it a bad thing to criticize the work of others. It can be constructive... Quinn, sorry to hear about your red-tape, I am sure it will all be over soon enough. Edited by JGMotamedi |
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ambropoetica ![]() Subscriber ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 November 2004 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 418 |
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Gee whiz..... I guess I forgot to set my sack 'o' you know what on fire so I
could stamp it out. Since we're getting all creamy regarding Ms. Mann's work may I comment??? It's just my opinion folks, a tale of sound and fury, signifying nothing... I'm not a great critic walking along shooting the dead, (book idea?); nor am I a great artist, now apparently hobbist, trashing the work of a famous person that somehow needs the protection of adoring fans that have had the priviledge so as to comment on work experience. Do my homework??? So I may gush more forthrightly??? I use my heart and my little mind thank you very much. To me, the only thing missing was that the plate wasn't dropped for "effect". Is the work about transition of time... loss... unconscious memory...??? Am I envious??? Certainly! Who wouldn't be??? My personal and obiviously un-art/hobbist informed opinion is that the work presented whenever... was done so in a calculated manner to precede the resurgance of Wet Plate. I feel success earned has responsibility; I just don't see it. She no doubt deserves it all and has earned such through hard work; great for her. I'm not attacking the person. I just don't like it. It feels hollow and disingenuous. But then it's just an opinion... and I didn't even get to the marketing. cheers, s. Edited by ambropoetica |
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Not exactly sure how the chemical red tape theme shifted to Mann, then on to gallery culture bashing. ha ha! However, Quinn... I sincerely hope you can cut through the red stuff and get those kits going. I've never made a wet plate exposure, but I will this year...and I hope to do it with one of your kits. |
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autochrome ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 January 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 14 |
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I like Sally Mann's previous work - I agree that it is powerful
and that she marches to a different drummer. When I said her work was provocative I was referring to reviews at the time not my personal opinion. Her last images just did not do it for me. In regard to the question previous of what images I like - Many of the images on this site I consider well done - I especially like the portraits and the combination gum images. Enough said of this topic - lets get back to collodion. john |
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quinn ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 13 December 2004 Location: Colorado Online Status: Offline Posts: 1025 |
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That's exactly my point. I (and I hope) think Mann's intention(s) are solid and real, it's the inherent sh*te that surrounds people like her (created mostly by others) that viewers can't get through, nor do they want to. All artists are not genuine in that sense; some help create and even encourage the esoteric hype to see if people will buy into it. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes. Regardless of the "product", intention and context are king for me. |
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james munoz ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 15 August 2005 Location: NYC Online Status: Offline Posts: 400 |
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Kerik,
Can't remember who said it about critics: "Critics are the ones who go out on the battle field after the fighting is over and shoot the wounded" |
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colrehogan ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 December 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 117 |
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I'm not trying to trash her as a person, but this Last measure work of hers just doesn't cut it with me at all. Would it change if I saw the work in person? I don't know. I have not seen any of her other work. Could I do better? No, since I've never tried the process (though I would like to at some point). |
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Diane :)
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Kerik ![]() Subscriber ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 March 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1325 |
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(Thank you, James).
Yes, Sally's wetplate techniques are 'bad' by traditional standards. But, you can bet she wants it that way. These are not mistakes, even if they look like it to the casual observer. You can't blame the bullshiite hype on Sally. It's part and parcel of the gallery business. Most serious collectors and admirers of art see right through that crap. I could care less what the guy in the black turtleneck with too much mousse in his hair has to say about the work (sorry for stereotyping 'gallerists'). I just roll my eyes and then look at the pictures and make my own decisions. |
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Kerik Kouklis
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quinn ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 13 December 2004 Location: Colorado Online Status: Offline Posts: 1025 |
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I've always respected and admired Sally Mann's work. I have mixed emotions about her wet plate work. Conceptually, I understand where she's going with the photographs (I think) and the images of her dog (well, the dug up bones) in her book, "What Remains" are powerful. Her whole approach to that work is powerful and I have great respect for her insight and her ability to contextualize and express on that topic. I think it's unfortunate that people get "famous" in the art world. I believe in the long run, they loose a lot of their audience because of the notion that anything they do is great. Some of the work they do, like this work, is very difficult for a lot of people to get their head around and the “hype” makes it even more difficult. |
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james munoz ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 15 August 2005 Location: NYC Online Status: Offline Posts: 400 |
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Kerik,
You being an artist (an I love your work) couldn't have said it better, So true... James |
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james munoz ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 15 August 2005 Location: NYC Online Status: Offline Posts: 400 |
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John,
Did you see the show? Or just images on a the web? |
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Kerik ![]() Subscriber ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 March 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1325 |
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James - I'm with you on this. Seems like many artists are all-too-eager to bash the work of others who are successful. I've been a Mann fan since her earliest Immediate Family work. To me, calling those images "provocative" says more about the viewer than the maker.
No, I don't love everything she does. These Last Measure images don't do it for me - although I'm sure they would have a different impact as large prints in person rather than small web images. The images in the book What Remains (the decaying bodies) at first horrified me. I bought the book, looked at it once and put it on the shelf for a year. When I brought it out for a second viewing, I became facinated and now find the work very compelling. Art is not always pretty. Her Motherland series has some images in film and collodion that practically bring tears to my eyes. There are others that just make me shrug. The bottom line for me is that she is a true and original artist following her own voice. Her commercial success has made that easier for her, but I have a lot of respect that she has moved on and is not endlessly repeating the same formula - a trap that many successful artists have fallen into. Maybe trap isn't the right word... But, for me, Sally rocks!! |
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Kerik Kouklis
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autochrome ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 January 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 14 |
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I believe you should at least be able to see the image.
john |
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