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james munoz ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 15 August 2005 Location: NYC Online Status: Offline Posts: 400 |
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Kerik,
Can't remember who said it about critics: "Critics are the ones who go out on the battle field after the fighting is over and shoot the wounded" |
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quinn ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 13 December 2004 Location: Colorado Online Status: Offline Posts: 1028 |
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That's exactly my point. I (and I hope) think Mann's intention(s) are solid and real, it's the inherent sh*te that surrounds people like her (created mostly by others) that viewers can't get through, nor do they want to. All artists are not genuine in that sense; some help create and even encourage the esoteric hype to see if people will buy into it. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes. Regardless of the "product", intention and context are king for me. |
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autochrome ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 January 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 14 |
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I like Sally Mann's previous work - I agree that it is powerful
and that she marches to a different drummer. When I said her work was provocative I was referring to reviews at the time not my personal opinion. Her last images just did not do it for me. In regard to the question previous of what images I like - Many of the images on this site I consider well done - I especially like the portraits and the combination gum images. Enough said of this topic - lets get back to collodion. john |
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Not exactly sure how the chemical red tape theme shifted to Mann, then on to gallery culture bashing. ha ha! However, Quinn... I sincerely hope you can cut through the red stuff and get those kits going. I've never made a wet plate exposure, but I will this year...and I hope to do it with one of your kits. |
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ambropoetica ![]() Subscriber ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 November 2004 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 418 |
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Gee whiz..... I guess I forgot to set my sack 'o' you know what on fire so I
could stamp it out. Since we're getting all creamy regarding Ms. Mann's work may I comment??? It's just my opinion folks, a tale of sound and fury, signifying nothing... I'm not a great critic walking along shooting the dead, (book idea?); nor am I a great artist, now apparently hobbist, trashing the work of a famous person that somehow needs the protection of adoring fans that have had the priviledge so as to comment on work experience. Do my homework??? So I may gush more forthrightly??? I use my heart and my little mind thank you very much. To me, the only thing missing was that the plate wasn't dropped for "effect". Is the work about transition of time... loss... unconscious memory...??? Am I envious??? Certainly! Who wouldn't be??? My personal and obiviously un-art/hobbist informed opinion is that the work presented whenever... was done so in a calculated manner to precede the resurgance of Wet Plate. I feel success earned has responsibility; I just don't see it. She no doubt deserves it all and has earned such through hard work; great for her. I'm not attacking the person. I just don't like it. It feels hollow and disingenuous. But then it's just an opinion... and I didn't even get to the marketing. cheers, s. Edited by ambropoetica |
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I find the distinction between "artist" and "hobbyist" distasteful. What are their distinguishing characteristics? This sounds like critic-speak to me; categorizing the newly-fallen. Can we disregard the work and opinions of others because they are "just hobbyists"? I am a huge fan of Mann, although I was not so moved by "Last Measure" as her other work. That said, I don't think it a bad thing to criticize the work of others. It can be constructive... Quinn, sorry to hear about your red-tape, I am sure it will all be over soon enough. Edited by JGMotamedi |
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smieglitz ![]() Subscriber ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Online Status: Offline Posts: 1831 |
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I'll put in a plug here for the Alt Photo Source chemistry. I just used some Keystone positive collodion today for the first time since I obtained it from Gerald a few months ago. It was really nice, a bit thicker than what I've used previously, and the image color was redder than I've had result before, but these were all plusses as far as I'm concerned. I managed to do a few ruby ambrotypes on black glass today and will post some scans tomorrow if possible.
I'll be ordering some more of this stuff as soon as you guys formally launch the business. As far as Sally Mann, I'm a big fan although I'll say many of the recent images from that series didn't do anything for me and, like others, I question the critical response to them. However, I found a few very moving and suspect the albumen prints in person would have a much greater appeal than the small web pics. I suspect a great deal of intent is present in what appears to be haphazard. She knows what she is doing, is very talented, and she is playing her cards well. I wonder what her favorite images are from her very diverse evolution? Just yesterday I found this link in another forum to an image of her by Karen Kuehn. I got a grin out of it. Portrait of Sally Mann on Karen Kuehn's website Joe Edited by smieglitz |
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quinn ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 13 December 2004 Location: Colorado Online Status: Offline Posts: 1028 |
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Thanks Joe, I appreciate that plug, moreover, I'm happy that you like the Collodion. |
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ambropoetica ![]() Subscriber ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 November 2004 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 418 |
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To all... I wish to apologize for the tenor of some of my remarks
regarding my recent posts, especially the feces attributions. I will admit to being a hot head of sorts... that being said, I remain unmoved by most of the works discussed. My comments are meant to improve and contribute to discourse of the art and craft we persue. My thanks to Quinn for providing the forum from which we all have the opportunity to learn. best, steve |
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